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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57492</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

I would probably include the words:  Trinity, fully human and fully divine,

When questioned on the floor, someone will probably ask why you don&#039;t flat out mention Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as such.  Might even ask, if you will say such when you baptize someone:)  

How about adding something about being missional--serving others--Matthew 25ish?

Just throwing out some thoughts.  

I am so happy to be done with the process---the Statement, the hoops, the Ords.  I am having serious 2001 flashbacks:)  

May God continue to give you endurance as you run the ordination marathon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I would probably include the words:  Trinity, fully human and fully divine,</p>
<p>When questioned on the floor, someone will probably ask why you don&#8217;t flat out mention Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as such.  Might even ask, if you will say such when you baptize someone:)  </p>
<p>How about adding something about being missional&#8211;serving others&#8211;Matthew 25ish?</p>
<p>Just throwing out some thoughts.  </p>
<p>I am so happy to be done with the process&#8212;the Statement, the hoops, the Ords.  I am having serious 2001 flashbacks:)  </p>
<p>May God continue to give you endurance as you run the ordination marathon.</p>
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		<title>By: chris james</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57138</link>
		<dc:creator>chris james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Adam, 

I love reading peoples statement of faith - such a window into their core convictions (or of what they think needs to be said to satisfy orthodoxy).  I love the emphasis on story and ecclesiology.  For what its worth: the absence I notice is any reference to Abraham or Israel, the  beginning place of God&#039;s redemptive work in the world which climaxed in Christ and is still being felt through Christ&#039;s Body the church.  Reformed theology stresses the connection and continuity of Old and New Testaments and covenants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Adam, </p>
<p>I love reading peoples statement of faith &#8211; such a window into their core convictions (or of what they think needs to be said to satisfy orthodoxy).  I love the emphasis on story and ecclesiology.  For what its worth: the absence I notice is any reference to Abraham or Israel, the  beginning place of God&#8217;s redemptive work in the world which climaxed in Christ and is still being felt through Christ&#8217;s Body the church.  Reformed theology stresses the connection and continuity of Old and New Testaments and covenants.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shuck</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57126</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to say you were weird Andrew or that your critiques weren&#039;t helpful.  I was thinking about the whole thing regarding how we are supposed to make our statements of faith fit in boxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to say you were weird Andrew or that your critiques weren&#8217;t helpful.  I was thinking about the whole thing regarding how we are supposed to make our statements of faith fit in boxes.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shuck</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57125</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nicely done.   This is a tedious deal as Andrew points out with his six places where you are incorrect or whatever.   Presbyterians are weird.   Hey good luck in Idaho.  I used to live in Mountain Home and then Boise.   My mentor, Francis Horner, pastored a church in Wendell.   

It is a good place.  You will do well.  Congratulations on your ordination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely done.   This is a tedious deal as Andrew points out with his six places where you are incorrect or whatever.   Presbyterians are weird.   Hey good luck in Idaho.  I used to live in Mountain Home and then Boise.   My mentor, Francis Horner, pastored a church in Wendell.   </p>
<p>It is a good place.  You will do well.  Congratulations on your ordination!</p>
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		<title>By: Marci</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57119</link>
		<dc:creator>Marci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t notice the &quot;voluntarist&quot; theme quite as strongly, but you could change this sentence: &quot;The Church is the place where messy, broken and struggling people of God come together to bear witness to the truth and power of the Gospel.&quot; to:
 &quot;Through the Church, messy, broken and struggling people of God are called together to bear witness to the truth and power of the Gospel.&quot; That might address Andrew&#039;s observation.
I think it is beautiful. I like the scripture section.
The following sentence could be clearer:
&quot;The realities of the perversion of God’s goodness in this world are all too real.&quot;
You are basically saying that the realities are real. How about &quot;It is too easy to see how God&#039;s goodness has been ....&quot;

Nicely done, Adam! I&#039;m looking forward to your ordination!
You could say more about baptism, but</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t notice the &#8220;voluntarist&#8221; theme quite as strongly, but you could change this sentence: &#8220;The Church is the place where messy, broken and struggling people of God come together to bear witness to the truth and power of the Gospel.&#8221; to:<br />
 &#8220;Through the Church, messy, broken and struggling people of God are called together to bear witness to the truth and power of the Gospel.&#8221; That might address Andrew&#8217;s observation.<br />
I think it is beautiful. I like the scripture section.<br />
The following sentence could be clearer:<br />
&#8220;The realities of the perversion of God’s goodness in this world are all too real.&#8221;<br />
You are basically saying that the realities are real. How about &#8220;It is too easy to see how God&#8217;s goodness has been &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nicely done, Adam! I&#8217;m looking forward to your ordination!<br />
You could say more about baptism, but</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57118</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I guess my three things turned into six things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I guess my three things turned into six things.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57117</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good stuff, but three things I&#039;d call your attention to:

1) Your understanding of the church seems interestingly &quot;voluntarist&quot; for a Presbyterian — as if people just decide to get together and be the church. 

2) The church as &quot;place&quot; language communicates something I&#039;m guessing you don&#039;t want to communicate.  I know you mean it metaphorically, but most people don&#039;t.  Be careful locating the church as a geography.

3) &quot;We bring about the kingdom of God&quot; — really?  Or do we witness to the inbreaking Kingdom?  Testifying to that which we can&#039;t bring about, but with which we can cooperate?  You speak later about the fully-realized Kingdom, but here you&#039;re making it sound like it&#039;s all about the action of the church, and that it&#039;s possible for humans to bring the kingdom about.  Later you say the kingdom will &quot;one day come&quot; — how?  by whose action?  

4) I&#039;m sure that the Lord is SUPER, but it&#039;s spelled SUPPER. ;-)

5) Your brief statement on baptism can also be interpreted in a really voluntarist way.  Do we make ourselves part of the body of Christ by choosing to be baptized?  Do our parents make us such by getting us sprinkled as infants?  Or, in baptism does God bring us into the covenant community, the body of Christ?  In short, what is divine action, what is human action in baptism?

6) I wouldn&#039;t restrict the remembrance of God&#039;s work in the Lord&#039;s Supper to just remembrance of the cross.  Nearly all the ancient liturgies, and present Presbyterian liturgy, understands the remembrance in the Lord&#039;s Supper to be remembrance of the birth, death, crucifixion, resurrection, and second-coming of Christ (yes, memory of a future event).

There&#039;s some great stuff in this statement, like your connection of sacraments and mission,  but the above represent the places that stood out to me as those that might create friction with Presbyterian-types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good stuff, but three things I&#8217;d call your attention to:</p>
<p>1) Your understanding of the church seems interestingly &#8220;voluntarist&#8221; for a Presbyterian — as if people just decide to get together and be the church. </p>
<p>2) The church as &#8220;place&#8221; language communicates something I&#8217;m guessing you don&#8217;t want to communicate.  I know you mean it metaphorically, but most people don&#8217;t.  Be careful locating the church as a geography.</p>
<p>3) &#8220;We bring about the kingdom of God&#8221; — really?  Or do we witness to the inbreaking Kingdom?  Testifying to that which we can&#8217;t bring about, but with which we can cooperate?  You speak later about the fully-realized Kingdom, but here you&#8217;re making it sound like it&#8217;s all about the action of the church, and that it&#8217;s possible for humans to bring the kingdom about.  Later you say the kingdom will &#8220;one day come&#8221; — how?  by whose action?  </p>
<p>4) I&#8217;m sure that the Lord is SUPER, but it&#8217;s spelled SUPPER. ;-)</p>
<p>5) Your brief statement on baptism can also be interpreted in a really voluntarist way.  Do we make ourselves part of the body of Christ by choosing to be baptized?  Do our parents make us such by getting us sprinkled as infants?  Or, in baptism does God bring us into the covenant community, the body of Christ?  In short, what is divine action, what is human action in baptism?</p>
<p>6) I wouldn&#8217;t restrict the remembrance of God&#8217;s work in the Lord&#8217;s Supper to just remembrance of the cross.  Nearly all the ancient liturgies, and present Presbyterian liturgy, understands the remembrance in the Lord&#8217;s Supper to be remembrance of the birth, death, crucifixion, resurrection, and second-coming of Christ (yes, memory of a future event).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some great stuff in this statement, like your connection of sacraments and mission,  but the above represent the places that stood out to me as those that might create friction with Presbyterian-types.</p>
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		<title>By: Existential Punk</title>
		<link>http://pomomusings.com/2008/11/24/statement-of-faith/#comment-57116</link>
		<dc:creator>Existential Punk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know nothing about ordination processes and statements of faith in those processes, but i thought this was beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know nothing about ordination processes and statements of faith in those processes, but i thought this was beautiful.</p>
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