There are some things I wouldn’t want to do. One of those is to go on a radio show with Ingrid Schlueter. Communicating in that forum is definitely not one of my spiritual gifts, and I just don’t see how a conversation like that would go over well. I’ve been mentioned numerous times on Ingrid’s website, Slice of Laodicea (although they don’t appear to be on the current archives), but I think I’m fine with just showing up on her site, not appearing on her show.
But Doug Pagitt is more courageous than I am – and he did go on Ingrid’s show. Of course, Ingrid didn’t really jibe with much of what Doug said. Following the interview, she uses Dave Fleming to show us the “emerging confusion” to try and fuel the flame against Pagitt – and then discusses the interview with pastor Bob DeWaay (who Doug debated awhile back). Not with Doug present. Interesting.
As is usual, Ingrid was stuck on issues of whether God could be active in other religions, and eventually got Doug to give her a short description of the gospel, which he said was “God’s invitation through Jesus for people to participate in what God’s doing in the world.”
My favorite one-liner from Ingrid is when she’s discussing some of these “emerging heresies” and she then makes the analogy to them being as deceptive as the serpent in the Garden of Eden – she says, “Listen for the hiss.”
You can download the MP3 here. For the official description, check out Crosstalk America.
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I feel dirty when I’ve listened and read thru some of their posts, because I start getting all bunched and judgmental back at them. Mostly, I’m hacked off and then sad, hacked then sad, about how they cannot hear and cannot see what’s really being said and lived out. When they throw around words like heresy and blasphemy and then get sarcastic with it – wow. I thought Doug did a good job for the most part, just like he did with Pastor Dewaay in a “debate” last year. But it goes through their ears and gets covered in goo.
Heard your name or read it in the midst of these posts and thought you would wear that proud :)
It’s interesting that whatever Gospel the hostess thinks is right can be undermined by “totally depraved” humanity. I really want something that’s not that weak. Really.
You know what kills me is that the whole argument is based on the idea that we can be completely objective in the platonic sense. Where as much of what is being said in the emerging conversation is that we need to experience truth and to be transformed by it. This is exactly what Peter Rollins talks about in his book “How Not to Speak of God”. Once, you take this approach I think it makes the objective vs. subjective argument irrelevant. Anyways, it is unfortunate that there are still people who are more concerned with the state of people’s doctorine not lining up with their own.
You’re my hero – linked here from Rev. Ken @ CRN website.
Adam could you love Ken or Ingrid’s idea of God or Keith Daniels or say Wilkerson’s?
What if were all wrong with are idea of God, and Hes exactly how the people we dislike describe him? could u?
2000 years ago when Jesus said one of you will betray me, everyone said “is it me?” fast forward 2000 it would be “is it him?” are you prepared to be wrong Adam?
of course this works both ways, am i ;-)~
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