Don’t get me wrong, but singing (love-)songs to the Creator of the whole universe (Who, by the way is completely in love with us…) is kinda weird, while all that this picture suggests is just ‘normal’?
Er…why is this a reason you love seminary? Is it the only place you’ve found to smoke and drink? Last I checked, there are plenty of places called ‘clubs’ that allow you to do that without having to pay tuition and write papers and read books.
Since hookahs are not very common in the US, most people assume that they are used to smoke illicit substances. Those of us who have had the pleasure of smoking a fruit-flavored molasses-soaked tobacco after a nice dinner can only smile with sweet remembrance at sight of the picture.
Best I ever had was at a fine Cairo hotel on the banks on the Nile by moonlight. Mmmmmm
Hookah’s are *very* common here, and if you see a white person using one, and they’re not in an Egyptian/Lebanese/Turkish club or restaurant, you can pretty safely assume that that’s not tobacco they’re smoking.
The question still stands - I’m no fan of the whole “people are watching you” guilt trip that Christians are so good at, but there’s is *some* truth to it…
I’m not opening the can of worms that apparently was opened last time. I don’t pride myself in generating or perpetuating blog “arguments”(even if I do partake in them from time to time)…. anyways
Im at work right now in a banks data center and I just showed that picture to the african american janitor that was cleaning the room. I asked him what he thought of it and he gave the “mmmmmm” of unbeleif. I said to him “he is a Christian” and he said “Hes not a Christian!”. I told him “yeah he is he is a presbytirian”. And his eyes got huge! hahaha Maybe you had to be there?
I suppose this pertains more to the alcohol collection and use thereof in other pictures, but also in the appearances of evil and partaking in worldly things, especially from a pastor-in-training. I hope you will meditate on these verses because they are straight from the Bible. I have to remind myself of these same verses all the time and I share them out of love that you might consider them as well.
Romans 12:2
“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
II Corinthians 5:17
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
Galatians 5:13
“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”
Ephesians 4:22-24
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
I Timothy 3:2-3
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;”
>>>…my answer would be, because seminary need not exclude living. Live on, good sir.
Smoking and drinking is “living” now. I see. Apparently Adam only smoked and drank in seminary and now his wife doesn’t let him anymore. Otherwise this post makes no sense.
Andrew’s last comment supplies content to the Biblical passages which is not necessarily there. It assumes that those passages can be applied in cases like these. On what grounds? Last time I checked, Adam wasn’t up for bishop. First, we’re not talking about anyone being a drunk here. Second, hopefully Christ’s salvation is not from alcohol and smoke, because that’d be a pretty pathetic salvation (and then theologically you’d need to have Jesus saving himself from his own sinful life). When you come into the conversation already believing something to be wrong, of course one reads those passages as backing it up. Would Adam drink with people in a congregation who are recovering alcoholics? I don’t think so. Can any recovering alcoholic tell you that their issue with alcohol is different than other people’s experience? Yes. This is simply much ado about nothing. I’m done here.
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:40 pm
Lord have mercy.
Christ have mercy.
Lord have mercy.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:34 am
Someone is trying to increase the number of comments these days. ;)
September 24th, 2006 at 6:51 am
Love the hookah…I’ve got one myself.
September 24th, 2006 at 8:22 am
Cool, but what’s with the paper bag? What’s there to be ashamed of? thus spoke churchpundit!
September 24th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
you are a jackass
September 24th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
OK. Don’t you have ministers reading this thing?
September 24th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Don’t get me wrong, but singing (love-)songs to the Creator of the whole universe (Who, by the way is completely in love with us…) is kinda weird, while all that this picture suggests is just ‘normal’?
I really don’t get it…
September 24th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
Wow, I knew Atlanta was a backward place, but why are you sucking on the hose from a tire pump?
September 24th, 2006 at 10:47 pm
Attention all Pastor Nominating Committees: He’s just kidding! Really!
September 26th, 2006 at 3:21 am
Adam,
what are you gonna do if you end up in a community where there’s loads of people that struggle with alcohol and drug use?
serious question.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:51 am
Er…why is this a reason you love seminary? Is it the only place you’ve found to smoke and drink? Last I checked, there are plenty of places called ‘clubs’ that allow you to do that without having to pay tuition and write papers and read books.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
Since hookahs are not very common in the US, most people assume that they are used to smoke illicit substances. Those of us who have had the pleasure of smoking a fruit-flavored molasses-soaked tobacco after a nice dinner can only smile with sweet remembrance at sight of the picture.
Best I ever had was at a fine Cairo hotel on the banks on the Nile by moonlight. Mmmmmm
September 27th, 2006 at 12:37 am
Hookah’s are *very* common here, and if you see a white person using one, and they’re not in an Egyptian/Lebanese/Turkish club or restaurant, you can pretty safely assume that that’s not tobacco they’re smoking.
The question still stands - I’m no fan of the whole “people are watching you” guilt trip that Christians are so good at, but there’s is *some* truth to it…
September 27th, 2006 at 12:50 pm
I’m not opening the can of worms that apparently was opened last time. I don’t pride myself in generating or perpetuating blog “arguments”(even if I do partake in them from time to time)…. anyways
Im at work right now in a banks data center and I just showed that picture to the african american janitor that was cleaning the room. I asked him what he thought of it and he gave the “mmmmmm” of unbeleif. I said to him “he is a Christian” and he said “Hes not a Christian!”. I told him “yeah he is he is a presbytirian”. And his eyes got huge! hahaha Maybe you had to be there?
September 28th, 2006 at 12:25 am
Clearly meant to get a rise.
My rebellious stage was in high school, not seminary/grad school.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:18 am
another sad reflection of the dysfunction of the Body of Christ…..skip seminary…please!!
September 28th, 2006 at 10:38 am
And you’re not like the world…how, exactly?
September 28th, 2006 at 11:17 am
Is that stuff you’re smoking illegal? If not, then what is it and why use a hookah?
September 28th, 2006 at 12:28 pm
Adam was asked, “why is this a reason you love seminary?”…my answer would be, because seminary need not exclude living. Live on, good sir.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
I suppose this pertains more to the alcohol collection and use thereof in other pictures, but also in the appearances of evil and partaking in worldly things, especially from a pastor-in-training. I hope you will meditate on these verses because they are straight from the Bible. I have to remind myself of these same verses all the time and I share them out of love that you might consider them as well.
Romans 12:2
“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
II Corinthians 5:17
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
Galatians 5:13
“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”
Ephesians 4:22-24
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
I Timothy 3:2-3
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;”
September 28th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
>>>…my answer would be, because seminary need not exclude living. Live on, good sir.
Smoking and drinking is “living” now. I see. Apparently Adam only smoked and drank in seminary and now his wife doesn’t let him anymore. Otherwise this post makes no sense.
September 28th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
You guys just don’t know the Christ of the Bible!
It will be a scary thing when many hear “Depart from me, you workers of iniquity, I never KNEW you!”
September 28th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
Ha…Slice has linked to you.
Fear the wrath!!!
September 28th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
Repent. Quickly.
September 28th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
Andrew’s last comment supplies content to the Biblical passages which is not necessarily there. It assumes that those passages can be applied in cases like these. On what grounds? Last time I checked, Adam wasn’t up for bishop. First, we’re not talking about anyone being a drunk here. Second, hopefully Christ’s salvation is not from alcohol and smoke, because that’d be a pretty pathetic salvation (and then theologically you’d need to have Jesus saving himself from his own sinful life). When you come into the conversation already believing something to be wrong, of course one reads those passages as backing it up. Would Adam drink with people in a congregation who are recovering alcoholics? I don’t think so. Can any recovering alcoholic tell you that their issue with alcohol is different than other people’s experience? Yes. This is simply much ado about nothing. I’m done here.
September 30th, 2006 at 1:39 am
This doesn’t bother me as much as seminarians having keggers…
http://papervault.blogspot.com/2006/09/they-will-know-we-are-christians-by-our.html
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 pm
I started laughing when I saw the picture, I laughed harder when I read your comments Adam.